Ancient writers who are silent about Jesus?

There is a list which circulates online of writers whose 'silence about Jesus', it is argued, indicates that he cannot have existed.  Leaving aside the non sequitur, the list itself was examined by Morphis, and his notes on each are worth preserving, as the legend keeps coming back.

From the Legend website

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/jesus5.htm, "Why Are The Ancient Historians Silent About Jesus?", by Richard Smith.

> Yet, aside from two FORGED passages in the works of a Jewish writer mentioned above, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers,
> there isn't ANY mention of Jesus Christ. At all.

>  Apollonius             Persius
>  Appian                 Petronius
>  Arrian                 Phaedrus
>  Aulus Gellius          Philo-Judaeus
>  Columella              Phlegon
>  Damis                  Pliny the Elder
>  Dio Chrysostom         Pliny the Younger
>  Dion Pruseus           Plutarch
>  Epictetus              Pompon Mela
>  Favorinus              Ptolemy
>  Florus Lucius          Quintilian
>  Hermogones             Quintius Curtius
>  Josephus               Seneca
>  Justus of Tiberius     Silius Italicus
>  Juvenal                Statius
>  Lucanus                Suetonius
>  Lucian                 Tacitus
>  Lysias                 Theon of Smyran
>  Martial                Valerius Flaccus
>  Paterculus             Valerius Maximus
>  Pausanias

Comments

See "http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01.html" for a discussion of this topic in general.

Mr Smith goes on to quote extensively from: 

]     -- The Christ, by John E. Remsburg, reprinted by Prometheus Books,
]     New York, 1994, pages 171-3.

a book that was written in 1909, hardly what I would consider up-to-date scholarship.

I don't have time for an exhaustive survey of the list Mr. Smith provides but briefly:

Briefly:
 Apollonius (of Tyana).  Nearly all our knowledge about him comes from an 
        biographer writing over 100 years later, we only second hand 
        information about what he wrote.
 Appian did not write about the period of history that we are interested in.
 Arrian did not write about the period of history that we are interested in.
 Columella wrote about agriculture not history.
 Florus Lucius wrote a military history.
 Juvenal wrote primarily/exclusively about the wealthy
 Lucian does mention Christians, but lives a century later.
 Pausanias wrote a tourist guide to Greece, not anything that would suggest
        he would be interested in Christ.
 Quintilian wrote about education
 Suetonius wrote about Rome
 The volume of Tacitus's history that would cover Jesus is not extant,
    He focuses narrowly on Rome, and he does indeed mention Christ.
 Valerius Maximus wrote for Roman teachers and rhetoricians, hardly a
    likely audience for writings about a Jewish Carpenter/con man
    (which is what Valerius would have thought Jesus was unless he
     were a Christian).

So at least eleven of the cited "historians" were either not writing about  a topic that had anything to do with Rabbi in Palestine or we have so little information about them that drawing a strong conclusion about what they did or did not write is not justified.

Many of the others I have looked at look questionable but would require  more time than I have to track down and make sure they didn't write about issues that would have caused them to know about and comment on Jesus.

A number of the people in the list were writing in the mid 2nd Century and, apparently, did not write about Christianity, yet we know that Christianity was alive and well at this time, which would suggest we wouldn't expect them to be commenting on Jesus.

What follows are longer descriptions of the above mentioned authors.

 Apollonius.  The fact that Mr. Smith does not explain which Apollonius
   suggests he may be copying off a crib sheet, there were several 
   prominant Apolloniuses in ancient times. 

   http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_sd/med_apollonius.html
   The extant sources we have concerning Apollonius of Tyana are not only
   sparse but somewhat historically unreliable. The most important
   biographical work written about him is "The Life of Apollonius" by
   Philostratus.   [which was written about 220 AD]

 Appian did not write about the period of history that we are interested in.
 
    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    In what follows, authors like Appian, who lived in the second century
    AD but wrote about the Republican era, have been grouped according to
    the period they describe, rather than the one in which they lived.

    Appian (ca. AD 95 165). A Greek from Alexandria, Appian spent much of
    his working life at Rome, as a lawyer and civil servant. His
    ethnographically arranged Roman History is partially preserved. An
    admirer of Roman imperialism, he is perhaps most important for what he
    reveals of political and social conditions at Rome in the period from
    the Gracchi to the end of the Republic, mainly in books 13 17 (covering
    133 35 BC), which are often cited separately as Civil Wars, books 1 5.

   Arrian did not write about the period of history that we are interested in.

http://www.sonoma.edu/people/poe/Excursus/Sources482.htm
   Arrian of Bithynia (2nd century CE)    (in Nicomedia)
   Anabasis
   A history of Alexander the Great
   History of Successors
   Some large fragments survive.             
   History of Parthia
   Lost.
   Indice
   Lost.

 Columella wrote about agriculture not history.   

    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Columella (mid-first century AD). Lucius Iunius Moderatus Columella,
    born to a land- owning family at Gades (mod. C diz), Spain, became an
    army officer and the owner of several estates in Italy. On Agriculture
    (written AD 60 5), which draws mainly from his own experience, is
    easily our most comprehensive source of information about agricul-
    tural practices and farm management.

 Florus Lucius wrote a military history.

    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Florus (time of Hadrian?). All that is known of Lucius Annaeus Florus
    is that he was born in North Africa. He may be the Florus who is said
    to have been a poet and friend of the emperor Hadrian. His short,
    almost exclusively military, history of Rome, from its origins to the
    time of Augustus (Epitome bellorum omnium annorum DCC), is deriva-
    tive, unimaginative, and often inaccurate.
     
 Juvenal wrote primarily/exclusively about the wealthy               

    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Juvenal (ca. AD 60 140). Little is known with certainty about the life
    or career of Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis of Aquinum (in central Italy).
    Consumed, it seems, by a bitter sense of failure and injustice, he is
    said to have been banished at one point for lampooning a favorite of
    the imperial court. His sixteen Satires, which ruthlessly ridicule the
    vices and vulgarities of the wealthy, include (6) a famously savage and
    unfunny denunciation of women.

 Lucian writes in the second century, and mentions Christians in two
        of his works, the Passing of Peregrinus, and Alexander the False Prophet.

       www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Lucian (ca. AD 120 after 180). A native of Samosata (mod. Sams t,
    Turkey) who made his living first as an advocate in court, and later as
    a traveling lecturer, Lucian moved eventually (probably when he was
    about 40) to Athens, where he abandoned rhetoric for philosophy. His 80
    or so surviving works, many of which are in dialogue form, satir- ize a
    variety of contemporary institutions and manners, including popular
    religion and philosophical pretensions.

 Pausanias
    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Pausanius (mid-second century AD). Nothing is known about the life of
    Pausanius, a Greek geographer and traveler whose Description of Greece,
    in ten books, was meant to be a kind of tourist's guide to Greece,
    including its historical and religious artefacts.

Quintilian        
    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Quintilian (ca. AD 30/5 100). A distinguished teacher of oratory,
    reportedly the first to be paid a salary by the state, Marcus Fabius
    Quintilianus was born at Calagurris (mod. Calahorra), Spain. His
    painstakingly detailed (and often lumbering) Institutes of Oratory, in
    12 books, is easily our most comprehensive source of information about
    the nature and ideals of Roman education.

Suetonius         
    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Suetonius (ca. AD 69 150). Born to a wealthy and politically active
    Roman family, Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus was a lawyer and, for a time,
    a secretary to the emperor Hadrian. His surviving works include several
    biographies of grammarians, rhetoricians, and poets (in the partially
    preserved On the Lives of Illustrious Men), and The Lives of the
    Caesars, biographies of Julius Caesar and of the first 11 emperors
    (i.e., from Augustus to Domi-tian). Anecodotal, credulous, and not
    infrequently gossipy, they present a fascinating and often arresting
    picture of the imperial court.

Tacitus           
www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Germanic tribes. The Annals, a full-scale history (in 18 books) of the
    period AD 14 68, is only partially preserved: we have the whole of
    books 1 4, the beginning of 5, all of 6, the last part of 11, and all
    of 12 16 (covering the periods AD 14 29, 31 7, and 47 66). Eloquently
    incisive, often cynical, too narrowly focused on Rome and on the person
    of the emperor, it is far and away our most reliable source for the
    history of the early Empire. 

   

"http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01_TC.html"

    Tacitus was a Roman historian writing early in the 2nd century A.D.
   His Annals provide us with a single reference to Jesus of considerable
   value. Rather frustratingly, much of his work has been lost, including
    a work which covers the years 29-32, where the trial of Jesus would
               have been had he recorded it. [Meie.MarJ, 89]

    Here is a full quote of the cite of our concern, from Annals 15.44.
      Jesus and the Christians are mentioned in an account of how the
     Emperor Nero went after Christians in order to draw attention away
                  from himself after Rome's fire of 64 AD:

Valerius Maximus
    www.blackwellpublishers.co.uk/cherry/pdf/guide.pdf

    Valerius Maximus (time of Tiberius). Nothing at all is known about the
    life of Valerius Maximus, whose Memorable Deeds and Sayings, published
    probably soon after AD 31, is a collection of moralizing anecdotes for
    the use of teachers and rhetoricians. Simple and uncritical, it
    preserves some valuable information about famous people and about Roman
    institutions.
      
  ---

[In order for the lack of mention to be suspicious, I would think we
would need a historian who wrote about Palestine in real detail.  He
would have to have given descriptions of most other religious groups
in the area of the same size or prominence as Christians.  The best
estimate I've seen is that there were about 7500 Christians world-wide
in 100 AD (Stark, "The Rise of Christianity").  A few passing
references to Christianity by Roman historians, and a couple of
references to Jesus by Josephus seems about right.  (And no, I don't
see any reason to think that all of Josephus' references are later
additions, though there has probably been an addition to one of them.
That's called throwing out all the evidence you don't like.)

--clh]

All of this appears (from the web) to derive from John E. Remsberg,
The Christ: A critical review and analysis of the evidence of his
existence, originally published by The Truth Seeker Company, New York,
1909.  Republished by Prometheus Books, 1994.

Here's a couple of comments I can add:

Aulus Gellius

   Born around 125AD.  Wrote the 'Attic Nights', a miscellanea
   of intellectual curios, often with a philological twist. 
   This sort of work could have mentioned Christ -  but of
   course it was written a century after he died.

Justus of Tiberias -
   https://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/justus.htm

   This work is lost.  All we know of it comes from the 9th
   century writer Photius who reviewed it briefly in his
   Biblioteca.  Here is the whole review:

   "XXIII.  Read the Chronicle of Justus of Tiberias, entitled A
   Chronicle of the Kings of the Jews in the form of a genealogy,
   by Justus of Tiberias. He came from Tiberias in Galilee, from
   which he took his name.  He begins his history with Moses and
   carries it down to the death of the seventh Agrippa of the
   family of Herod and the last of the Kings of the Jews.  His
   kingdom, which was bestowed upon him by Claudius, was extended
   by Nero, and still more  by Vespasian.   He died in the third
   year of Trajan, when the history ends. Justus' style is very
   concise and he omits a great deal that is of utmost importance. 
   Suffering from the common fault of the Jews, to which race he
   belonged, he does not even mention the coming of Christ, the
   events of his life, or the miracles performed by Him.  His
   father was a Jew named Pistus; Justus himself, according to
   Josephus, was one of the most abandoned of men, a slave to
   vice and greed.   He was a political opponent of Josephus,
   against whom he is said to have concocted several plots; but
   Josephus, although on several occasions he had his enemy in
   his power, only chastised him with words and let him go free.  
   It is said that the history which he wrote is in great part
   fictitious, especially where he describes the Judaeo-Roman war
   and the capture of Jerusalem."

   According to this Justus didn't mention a whole lot of things,
   which he should have; and mentioned quite a few that never
   occurred.  But how much can we argue from a non-existant book?

Velleius Paterculus.

   Died around AD30-31.  Wrote a history of the German wars of
   Tiberius.  His history was preserved in a single corrupt
   manuscript, lost since the 18th century.  Was he still alive
   when the ministry of Jesus begun?
   See the preface to the Loeb edition of his work, and
   Reynolds, L.D., Texts and Transmissions (Oxford 1980-ish)

It would be nice to do some more on this list.  Is Hermogones spelled
correctly?  Anyone heard of such a writer in this period (there is a
Byzantine style writer of that name much later).

Constructive feedback is welcomed to Roger Pearse.

Written 3rd January 2003.

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